I understand here in Finland it's best to start rocoto germination early but I have a few questions. If I understand correctly they need colder temperatures and less direct light compared to other varieties when they grow? And also less nitrogen? And should I pinch of the first buds when they first  appear or no? Sorry this is just a new one for me, thanks for any answers and help!

Hi in here also ;)

Same conditions when they grow but when you want to get buds to appear you usually need changes in temperature. Buds might come off when the plant is not ready to carry pods but if pods stay too early stage you can pick them off (less work than with buds and might speed up growth) I think that pubet are better looking with many flowers even in early stage ;)


And this is only my humble opinion.

Yes thanks! The English section of the forum looked pretty dead recently so I tried my luck with both and it obviously worked so thank you. Can't wait to see what happens with this plant. :)

Rocotos generally differ from most other capsicums quite a lot when it comes to growing them. Many of the varieties come from Andean mountain areas (up to 3000m+ altitude) where climate is a bit strange. :) One thing they don't (mostly) like is excessive heat. They are also prone to burning their leaves in direct sunlight, especially when the plants are young. Some varieties aren't very self-compatible (i.e. they may need another plant in order to produce fruit).  Otherwise the normal ways of growing chili apply to these beauties too. :)

Lainaus käyttäjältä: Jennakuu - joulukuu 12, 2015, 20:12:23 ip
The English section of the forum looked pretty dead recently so I tried my luck with both and it obviously worked so thank you.

It probably looks dead only because very few ask anything here in English. If they did, they would very likely get some answers, as you did now :).

I believe active forum members here tend to use the functionality at the top that shows all the messages that have been written since their last visit, so it probably doesn't matter much in which section you ask something, it will be found in the same way.

I will grow a couple rocotos and see how they turn out in the end it's just a fun random experiment either way it turns out. Seeing the pretty flowers could be good enough hahah :) thanks for everyone taking the time to respond and help out. I have absolutely no idea how to respond properly on here or anything like highlight text from a previous messages or to which users I'm responding and so on. This is my first time ever on a forum. So please forgive  any flaws!

Lainaus käyttäjältä: Jennakuu - joulukuu 12, 2015, 20:56:27 ip
I have absolutely no idea how to respond properly on here or anything like highlight text from a previous messages or to which users I'm responding and so on. This is my first time ever on a forum. So please forgive  any flaws!

If you use forum with Finnish menus:

In each message there is link "lainaus" on top right cornet of that message, lainaus means quote and when you click that message will appear in top of text window. When i write this message there are 2 tags on top, "quote author=Jennakuu link=topic=16768.msg322088#msg322088 date=1449946587" and "/quote" (both inside [ ] ) and quoted text is between those. You can allso edit quoted text like i delete part of your text in quote.

Forum works in English too (at least it shoud). Menu "profiili" -> "tunnuksen asetukset" you'l find "Kielipaketin valinta" and there are 2 choises, Finnish and English.

[quote author=Jennakuu link=topic=16768.msg322088#msg322088 date=1449946587]
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Wolfie you ment to use this button "lisää koodia" marked as #  ::)

And Esikatselu is easy way to see how the message looks before you Publish it  ;)

Oh and that code part looks like

Lainaus käyttäjältä: Jennakuu - joulukuu 12, 2015, 20:56:27 ip
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Lainaus käyttäjältä: Trioniska - joulukuu 13, 2015, 10:00:29 ap

Wolfie you ment to use this button "lisää koodia" marked as #  ::)

:P Only 1 cup of coffee before writing that so i was half-sleeping  ;D

Lainaus käyttäjältä: Wolfman - joulukuu 13, 2015, 10:10:45 ap

Lainaus käyttäjältä: Trioniska - joulukuu 13, 2015, 10:00:29 ap

Wolfie you ment to use this button "lisää koodia" marked as #  ::)

:P Only 1 cup of coffee before writing that so i was half-sleeping  ;D

Aaaaah that explains it.  :P

Lainaus käyttäjältä: Wolfman - joulukuu 13, 2015, 09:25:51 ap
Forum works in English too (at least it shoud). Menu "profiili" -> "tunnuksen asetukset" you'l find "Kielipaketin valinta" and there are 2 choises, Finnish and English.

There's a language selection on the top-right corner all the time and it even seems to remember that selection automatically when you are logged in as the same user.

Wow thanks that language change helped a lot! I could of sworn I set it to English anyways in the beginning but now it's updated and much easier to understand thanks!  ;D

Lainaus käyttäjältä: Jennakuu - joulukuu 13, 2015, 14:53:22 ip
Wow thanks that language change helped a lot! I could of sworn I set it to English anyways in the beginning but now it's updated and much easier to understand thanks!  ;D

Glad to see people chatting in English here! :) Most Finns speak and write English quite well, but many are kind of shy to do it. Please, let us know about your Rocoto mission's progress - and feel free to write many, many more messages here! ;)

Lainaus käyttäjältä: Aji Inferno - joulukuu 13, 2015, 23:34:32 ip
Glad to see people chatting in English here! :) Most Finns speak and write English quite well, but many are kind of shy to do it.

We would chat, but there's rarely anybody starting any conversations in this part of the forum. Should we do that between each other? Next time I want to ask something, I will ask it in English, and silently ignore anyone trying to answer me in Finnish :D.

Maybe we would get some international action also if there was more traffic in here :).

Chilifoorumi - Bringing international internal warmth and pain to your a..

Lainaus käyttäjältä: Aji Inferno - joulukuu 13, 2015, 23:34:32 ip
Most Finns speak and write English quite well, but many are kind of shy to do it.

That's true, typical complaint from finnish tourist is "why hotel staff and restaurant staff don't speak finnish"  ??? And those tourists are able to speak english pretty well if they are forced to....

Writing english is nightmare... "how the he** that word was written"  ::) So sorry about errors  :P

I will show my progress I guess, still waiting for them to arrive in the mail and will start right away. :) well hopefully in the future I won't have to rely so much on English as I'm starting my second year studying Finnish... I bet I'll need 5 more years tho lol  :o. My biggest problem is when I try to speak Finnish everyone switches to English right away  :-\

Lainaus käyttäjältä: Jennakuu - joulukuu 14, 2015, 08:09:22 ap
My biggest problem is when I try to speak Finnish everyone switches to English right away  :-\

Do not "understand" english, and continue to use finnish  ;) I hope others will understand that you want to practice finnish. Or maybe they want to practice english ?

Lainaus käyttäjältä: Wolfman - joulukuu 14, 2015, 07:44:16 ap

Lainaus käyttäjältä: Aji Inferno - joulukuu 13, 2015, 23:34:32 ip
Most Finns speak and write English quite well, but many are kind of shy to do it.

That's true, typical complaint from finnish tourist is "why hotel staff and restaurant staff don't speak finnish"  ??? And those tourists are able to speak english pretty well if they are forced to....

Writing english is nightmare... "how the he** that word was written"  ::) So sorry about errors  :P

Reading and writing in English is the easy part, but speaking and pronouncing is something that I just fail to do properly. I'm suspecting there's something so fundamentally different in the Finnish language that just tends to prevent people from learning to speak English fluently.

When you listen how people from different parts of the world speak in English, you can usually spot some typical accents, but those that have Finnish as their mother tongue seem to have something more than an accent. And that applies even to many of those who have lived abroad for ages and used English all the time. They just seem to continue speaking the so called rally English, as made famous by Finnish racing drivers, whose English just sounds horrid.

It just sounds as if they might have some medical issues in their jaws that prevent them from speaking properly. And that is certainly how I feel when I speak English. I can be very familiar with some word, and I could easily say if someone else says it properly or not, but when I'm trying to actually say it, I can immediately hear that what came out wasn't even close to what I intended to say. I might retry, and out comes another ugly duckling of a word. I know what it should sound like, but somehow my mouth fails to function.

Lainaus käyttäjältä: Jennakuu - joulukuu 14, 2015, 08:09:22 ap
well hopefully in the future I won't have to rely so much on English as I'm starting my second year studying Finnish... I bet I'll need 5 more years tho lol  :o.

I can imagine that all those crazy suffixes we have could be a bit of a nightmare for someone trying to learn this language. At the extreme end of the scale, those result in Finnish words like "epäjärjestelmällistyttämättömyydelläänsäkäänköhän". So good luck with that and all ;). The good news is that you will likely be understood quite well even if you just use words in their base forms. It sounds funny, but you will be understood :). And as for that monster of a word (officially the longest non-compound word), don't worry, I bet nobody has ever actually needed it :).

The younger generation (say, up to 30..35) seems to be quite good and even fluent in English here, too. At least those who use it daily with their friends, families, in their work, reading books, listening to and making music, social media, etc. Those who have no "foreign" friends and don't use it much or at all, however, have some serious trouble with English.

I myself wouldn't mind this whole forum being in English, but that's simply not realistic and wouldn't be fair for many of our chili heads. But I'd love to see this kind of discussion here in the future, too. After all, just as using Finnish with people is good practice for you, using English is the same for people around here. ;) 

If you wish to practice your Finnish with a very nice Xmas present to your Finnish friends (and to yourself), there's always the world's best (?) chili pepper book for you to buy and digest! ;)  Some very cool chili seeds come with it: http://fataliiseeds.net/search?query=chilikirja (http://fataliiseeds.net/search?query=chilikirja)

That "Chilikirja" is a good example of this language challenge. We had to write it in Finnish despite the commercial demand existing mostly abroad. And, of course, we even wanted to write it in Finnish for our good friends and all the magnificent chiliheads in this country. But an edition in English, Spanish, etc. would have been very useful already by now for many, many people out there somewhere. ;) 

Lainaus käyttäjältä: Aji Inferno - joulukuu 14, 2015, 17:27:28 ip
I myself wouldn't mind this whole forum being in English, but that's simply not realistic and wouldn't be fair for many of our chili heads. But I'd love to see this kind of discussion here in the future, too. After all, just as using Finnish with people is good practice for you, using English is the same for people around here. ;) 

I also believe that the wealth of information we have here in this forum (regarding all sorts of chili varieties etc.) is among the best, if not the best in the world. So if this forum had more content in English it would no doubt benefit others out there, and obviously also bring new knowledge here.

So Jennakuu, don't you dare learn Finnish, we need these conversations here! ;)

Lainaus käyttäjältä: chipe - joulukuu 14, 2015, 12:36:16 ipI'm suspecting there's something so fundamentally different in the Finnish language that just tends to prevent people from learning to speak English fluently.

It's not just Finns and Finnish-English, but you might be more sensitive to the Finnish accent rather than equally sensitive to each from other areas. It's because you're used to letters corresponding to phonemes in the way they are used in your language, and they are not the same across all languages. Some general issues Finns have with English is voiced consonants (eg. d, b, g, v, z) and aspirated plosives before vowels (c^(h)an, clan, p^(h)eople, t^(h)yp^(h)ic^(h)al), not to mention letters being pronounced in different ways depending on context (Google "ghoti"). Phonetics is a pretty interesting field and will go a long way to explain the difficulties, where they come from and how to get past them. I recommend taking a look, if you're at all into languages.

Compare Finnish-Swedish and Swedish-Swedish (rikssvenska), and you can quite easily tell the pronunciation in Finland is affected by Finnish - it's how a Finn speaks Swedish, even though the speaker might not know any Finnish. The best way I can explain the difference without going to the phoneme level is that you need to keep your mouth in a different position for each language. Manage to find that position, and the phonemes kind of align by themselves.

While we went quite far off topic here, I join the others in welcoming any chat in English here (or on the unofficial Chili Association IRC channel!), but also encourage you to learn Finnish - it will help you understand much more about the Finns than just their language. ;) I happen to know several people who learned Finnish at a later age, so I can definitely say it's possible - and that you're already at a very good level, since you can form such a sentence as your opening in the other thread!

Lainaus käyttäjältä: Jennakuu - joulukuu 14, 2015, 08:09:22 apMy biggest problem is when I try to speak Finnish everyone switches to English right away  :-\

This thread just proved that, again. ::)

Lainaus käyttäjältä: ottulo - joulukuu 14, 2015, 21:22:46 ip

Lainaus käyttäjältä: Jennakuu - joulukuu 14, 2015, 08:09:22 apMy biggest problem is when I try to speak Finnish everyone switches to English right away  :-\

This thread just proved that, again. ::)

There might be "good" reason for that....

Lainaus käyttäjältä: Aji Inferno - joulukuu 14, 2015, 17:27:28 ip
But I'd love to see this kind of discussion here in the future, too. After all, just as using Finnish with people is good practice for you, using English is the same for people around here. ;) 

Keep using finnish Jennakuu, even when we use english  ;)

Oh wow so many responses! Lol well I am still learning Finnish and it's going good. In my opinion I think Finns speak amazing English so much so I have even asked before if they are from America or lived there because I could hear no accent, even tho they have lived in Finland their whole life. Now to speak that fluently without ever leaving Finland is pretty amazing to me. I can pronounce Finnish pretty well I've been told just that everything is very "soft".

Chipe don't worry about your pronunciation I'm sure it's not as bad as you imagine. I can roll my "r"s but a few words I really can't with out a look of strain on my face eg. "Stressi" it's soooooo difficult to get that st then trilled r sound that I literally stop trying and pronounce that word in English when I speak lol  ::)

Ajii I do plan to buy that book for myself just worried about the possibility of some unique scientific words making it so difficult to read. Either way I'm learning finnish and someday I'll be able to read it with ease so it is on my list of future purchases  :P

Wolfman I have just kept on speaking in Finnish when they switch to English it does work but I always get that weird look at first or they keep speaking English as I speak Finnish that happened one time.
haha.

Anyways the main reason I joined this forum is because one the Fatalii website has the best selection and descriptions of unique chili pepper seeds I've ever seen; and two because I live in Finland I know possibly weather/light factors are unique. I would like people who understand how to grow here despite the imperfect conditions and possible products that might be difficult for me to find on my own here.

Lainaus käyttäjältä: Jennakuu - joulukuu 15, 2015, 08:19:08 ap
Wolfman I have just kept on speaking in Finnish when they switch to English it does work but I always get that weird look at first or they keep speaking English as I speak Finnish that happened one time.
haha.

Don't care those weird looks  ;) When you speak finnish and others speak english both get practice, it may sound "silly" but don't worry. I've done that years ago (decades ago) with co-worker and it helped both to learn...

Lainaus käyttäjältä: ottulo - joulukuu 14, 2015, 21:22:46 ip
It's not just Finns and Finnish-English, but you might be more sensitive to the Finnish accent rather than equally sensitive to each from other areas.

That is likely true to some extent and I have certainly considered that. But I think one of the biggest differences as compared to for example those from France, Germany or India, all with their rather distinctive accents, is that somehow all those have a sort of flow when they speak, whereas the "rally English" has more stops and sounds harsher. As Jennakuu just said, she has been told that her Finnish sounds very "soft". I think that is the same phenomenon reversed.

Lainaus käyttäjältä: ottulo - joulukuu 14, 2015, 21:22:46 ip
but also encourage you to learn Finnish - it will help you understand much more about the Finns than just their language. ;)

And even if you speak English to them, you are likely to spot some differences to how natives here react to certain sentences as comparison to Americans for instance. It has been said for example that "How are you?" is sort of a longer version of "Hello" to Americans, they just expect you to respond similarly. But some of them have been surprised here to get a response of what illnesses one has had lately and so on ;).

Speaking of meaningless sentences, I just watched George Carlin's take on some of the common expressions in English language:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11lEtj-MuMk

Lainaus käyttäjältä: Jennakuu - joulukuu 15, 2015, 08:19:08 ap
Oh wow so many responses! Lol well I am still learning Finnish and it's going good. In my opinion I think Finns speak amazing English so much so I have even asked before if they are from America or lived there because I could hear no accent, even tho they have lived in Finland their whole life. Now to speak that fluently without ever leaving Finland is pretty amazing to me. I can pronounce Finnish pretty well I've been told just that everything is very "soft".

English is an important language in Finland, more important and visible than many people think. There are a lot of reasons why people speak and write good English, here's a few of them.
- We start learning English at the second grade
- We use subtitles, not dubbing, for foreign movies and TV programs, which makes us hear a lot of English after we start reading Finnish
- Universities are quite international and part of university teaching is nowadays in English in many universities
- In many companies, especially in the IT sector, English is the working language and in a lot more companies English is needed with co-workers or customers

I should have written this in Finnish. :)

Lainaus käyttäjältä: PP - joulukuu 15, 2015, 20:09:20 ip
English is an important language in Finland, more important and visible than many people think. There are a lot of reasons why people speak and write good English, here's a few of them.
- We start learning English at the second grade
- We use subtitles, not dubbing, for foreign movies and TV programs, which makes us hear a lot of English after we start reading Finnish
- Universities are quite international and part of university teaching is nowadays in English in many universities
- In many companies, especially in the IT sector, English is the working language and in a lot more companies English is needed with co-workers or customers

One more quite general reason: Finnish is spoken only here, and the total of native speakers is something like 5 million. On a global scale, that's a relatively small group having small internal markets, living in a rather insignificant corner of the world, having little significance to the rest of the world. There's quite a clear need to be able to communicate and do business outside that small box. The language of choice for that is pretty obvious.

As for the IT sector, which happens to be where I do my work, English is an absolute must. There's no way you could work in that field efficiently without it. Pretty much everything in writing is in English, and when it's not, it's bound to cause problems. Write documents in Finnish, and you will lose your options for 99.9% of global workforce, customers etc. And in a technical field like that, there's no really an option to use Finnish, it will be necessarily a mix of English and Finnish anyway, Finglish as we say. There's plenty of stuff that doesn't even have equivalent Finnish terms, or at least none that professionals would use, or even recognize. And there's no point in trying to invent those, as some do, don't know why.

I for example just wrote some documentation in English that in the near term will most likely be read only by those who speak Finnish. The choice of language is part of future proofing as explicitly requested by Finnish customers. And if the request would have been to write it in Finnish, I would have more or less demanded to be allowed to write it in English, even if it had been known that no foreigner will ever read it. It is just so much easier for technical stuff that refers to English terms anyways. In fact, I even tend to write most of my own private notes in English. I'm also having much more difficulties to understand such documents that somebody else has written in Finnish, especially if they contain lots of words that would have been very familiar in English, but somebody has tried to invent translations for them.