Already starting season 2006

[Femmefatalii]

Thanks, John. I hope that my plants will look as nice as yours does. Would you happen to remember the diameter of that pot?

Now on to the correct species identification for Purira.... :?

Jennifer

[JohnF]

jennifer

Believe that is a 10" pot. What are the candidates for Purira?--my flowers looked like C. annuum.

[Femmefatalii]

John, I would have said annuum for Purira, but quite a few sources, reliable and otherwise, list it as frutescens.  One person says chinense, but I think that's an oversight-type mistake. And I don't think that it's another case of a reused common name, but I need to do a search to compare flower/plant/fruit pictures in order to confirm this.

Jennifer

[Aji Inferno]

John, I would have said annuum for Purira, but quite a few sources, reliable and otherwise, list it as frutescens.  One person says chinense, but I think that's an oversight-type mistake. And I don't think that it's another case of a reused common name, but I need to do a search to compare flower/plant/fruit pictures in order to confirm this.

Jennifer

There might always be several plants under the name "Purira", but the one I grew years ago was definitely an annuum, no doubts about that. Then again, it's one of the easier and more interesting annuums to grow, and one of those chilis about *everyone* truly fears - after the first bite... In that sense, it's just like Goat's Weed from Venezuela, although those annuums are quite different. Both do prove that annuums can be infernal when it comes to heat...

[JohnF]

Purira flower





And plant.  

[JartsaP]

Will go with annuum for the Quintisho too, especially since you were my seed source.

Well, my Quintisho is definately a baccatum, no doubt about that. Easy to see from growing habit and spots on corolla.

But quite an impressive goal you have, I suppose you are more professional grower?

[Femmefatalii]

Well, all signs here seem to point to Purira being an annuum. Time will tell once flowers and fruits emerge from my planting out this summer. I wonder why the penchant for classifying something as frutescens?

Re Quintisho. This is what I posted on another forum:

Mats and Graeme say nada on their sites. ChilePlants and Reimers say annuum. Soilmates and Jukka say baccatum. Beth says chinense, but her pics don't look like the others (longer, not cherry-like though her description says 'cherry'). No flower photos. Wish JF and AB could put species labels on their pics, but that's alot to ask.

Is this another generic name applied to more than one cultivar? Or is there a mistake somewhere...?

John replied that his source (and therefore indirectly mine as well) was Terra Time and Tide which did not indicate species. He remembered his grow-out being annuum.

I am not a professional grower. In my spare time, I do direct a small, not-for-profit seed organization that does research of various kinds, dehybridizes corporate seed, repatriates Canadian-bred germplasm amongst other things. Seed politics.

Jennifer

PS. John, I put some seed from China in the mail today. My brother (still based in Beijing) is on the hunt for interesting stuff in the more remote areas of China, Vietnam and Korea as he does his ultramarathons.  Plus, my parents head to Belize, Costa Rica and Panama next week. Don't know if they will be able to top the St Martin's Hab and Seasoning peppers they brought back last time. Will let you, Chance, and anyone else who is interested know what they send back.

[JohnF]

Well, I said mine wasn't a baccatum ( have yet to see a baccatum Quintisho flower pic) but it may have been chinense. Mickey got seeds from me and his flower looks like a chinense to me

http://www.pbase.com/mickey_baker/image/47203835

[JohnF]

Talked with Beth Boyd and she sent me a picture and says she still thinks is a chinense.

Photo by Beth Boyd

[Femmefatalii]

Thanks for following up, John. I apologize for misquoting you. Great picture, better than the one on her site.

FYI, the C2CPC list has Quintisho down as baccatum.

Think I'll just plant the doggone seeds after all and be done with it.

Jennifer

[JohnF]

Jennifer

Please let us know what the species of your plant is--probably only way to know for sure at this point. The old problem of pepper naming rears it's ugly head again. There is, apparently another pepper out there named  ( or misnamed) quintisho). I had a brown chinense, that for several years I had called Aji Variedad Boliviana, from a woman in Argentina. Hadn't grown for several years and recently got the original seeds out of my files only to find C. pubecens seeds--oops. Yhanks in advance for the Chinese seds.

[Femmefatalii]

John,

MSN, thanks! Yes, it looks more and more like there may be two varieties called Quintisho in circulation. I may try to grow both out for a side-by-side. Mine should be the same as yours and Mick's. I'll also find some time to go through Chance's gallery today. Maybe he's got flower pics. Haven't figured out how best to search Jukka's site.

Jennifer

[Femmefatalii]

Rechecked Beth's catalogue, same pic as above.

ChilePlants isn't listing Quintisho this year.

Same pic of Quintisho at Graeme's site as Terra Time and Tide.
http://members.aol.com/ltmdterra/TTTnewpe.html

It's Chance's fruit pic that's different (thump upside the head). Is that elongated fruit or am I really losing it....

Chance's only pic online:
http://www.linuxis.net/gallery/album78/quintisho_fruit

Jennifer, apologizing to Luca for the hijack :oops:

[luca]

Jennifer, apologizing to Luca for the hijack :oops:

Hehehe! No problem, this is quite an interesting discussion and I'm following it in details

[Femmefatalii]

Thanks for being so gracious, Luca!!!

I'm just really, really picky about correct identification, spelling and complete documentation. This is partially due to my background in library research and preservation, but also because of my personality. John is a kindred spirit on this subject, though a MUCH, MUCH nicer one than me.

Jennifer, wishing you a very productive growing season

[Femmefatalii]

Took a proper look at Jukka's most excellent site. Was able to find this:

http://juuri.org/fatalii/?u=g&c=search&word=quintisho

Jennifer

[JohnF]

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Well, Juka's plant certainly looks different from mine and the others
http://www.pbase.com/chiles400/image/24170296

[Femmefatalii]

John, what do you think about Allen's Q versus Jukka's Q?

Jennifer

[JohnF]

Jennifer

Can't tell for sure but Allen's plant looks more like Juka's but his pods are elongated.

[JartsaP]

Here's my Quintisho, sorry for the bad quality photos. I don't seem to have any photos of flowers, you just have to believe me - they are spotted. I don't know from whom I got the seeds, but it's very probable that this is closely related to the Jukka's plant    (This assumption because at least half of the chile growers in Finland have traded with him directly or indirectly...)

I'll just put links in here, because the photos are too big to fit the forum and I don't make them smaller to save the few details there are.

http://koti.mbnet.fi/jartsap/IMG_2500.JPG

http://koti.mbnet.fi/jartsap/IMG_2933.JPG