Hi Mark! Good to "see" you!

Cumarí do pará is indeed a C. chinense.  It is has yellow, small pods (pretty similar do "Cumarí o passarinho" and the one John posted above).  It tastes really good, but IMHO it is nothing like a real cumarí (C. praetermissum).  It's taste is very chinense-like, but a bit more citric than habas, for example.

The pod shape also resembles a "real" Cumarí, but it's a bit bigger and yellow, instead of the usual C. praetermissum red.  I think it hsa been named "Cumarí" because of this pod shape similarity.

Hi all,

I wrote one more article to Fatalii's site:

http://www.fatalii.net/growing/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=91&Itemid=52

It's about a huge malagueta (C. frutescens) plant that a member of the pimentas.org/forum has in his ranch.  Very nice pics, check it out!

Wow! That's really an impressive list! I wish you all the luck with them! I'm looking forward to seeing the amazing pics I know you'll take from these varieties

No need to list them all, John. <edit>you listed them just as I was writing this post! :lol: </edit>

But I'm interested in knowing how your season will develop.  I've planted many of the seeds I got from you last year, thanks for that!

Very nice, John!

Your seedlings look very healthy and consistent.  Are you focusing on any specific varieties this year?

I agree entirely! I also try to avoid changing names of the plants to the maximum! And try to make people think twice before giving names to varieties they don't know or translate names and this kind of stuff.

It's good when they're already registered in some seedbank and have an assigned accession number, but that's not always the case, especially with wild plants and land races from Brazil...

As to the C. praetermissum/C. baccatum var. praetermissum, I'll even avoid entering discussion I've seen it before and I know it's an endless one :lol:

BTW, there are other variations of the word "Cumarí", like "cumbarí", "comari", "comarim" etc., but they're all pretty much the same word with different spellings.  As it is a tupi (Brazilian indian language) word which has no original written form, it is converted to Portuguese in several different ways.

Lainaus käyttäjältä: "JohnF"So, any C. praetermisssum is 'Cumari' ? That doesn't seem a very useful term--like calling all baccatums "Aji"

Yes, you're right.  That's why so much confusion arises.  In fact, most people in Brazil call "Cumarí" whatever chile plant they find growing in the wild, so there might even be some rarer wild species being called cumarí... But as a rule of thumb, cumarís are C. praetermissum.

IMHO, it's a little bit "less bad" to call all C. praetermissum "Cumarí" than it is to call all C. baccatum varieties "Ají", because there are not as many variations of praets as there are of baccas.

"Ají" has pretty much the same origin.  It simply means "chile" in the andean countries... It just happens that C. baccatum is the most common species consumed there, so Ají is almost a synonym of baccatum... like Cumarís are almost a synonym of wild praets. :roll: Unfortunately, as we all know, chile common names are a real pain in the neck.

Yes, it's not what we call "the real cumarí" in Brazil.  It's one of the "fakes", which are actually C. chinense, like Cumarí o Passarinho (which in my opinion is a misnomer) and Cumarí-do-Pará, for instance.

Cumarí actually just means "chile" in one Brazilian indian language, so technically any chile could be called cumarí, but the name is nowadays usually used to describe C. praetermissum varieties and a few C. chinense that have been misnamed...

Very nice flower, John!

Does your plant also produce those "tri-flowers" (three flowers on the same pedicel), like the one in Fatalii's pictures?

Hi!

Has anyone here grown CAP 498? I have received some seeds from Fatalii a while ago and I planted them this year.

Unfortunately, I messed the seeds up, mixing them with some African Pequin :roll:
Now my seedlings are starting to flower (way too early) and the flowers are very small and purple, so I'm almost sure it's not the African Pequin, which should have white flowers.  So my guess is that it is the CAP 498.  Seems to be a purple annuum variety.  I can't wait to see how the pods will look like!

Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Aji Inferno"I wonder what is wrong with my praetermissums, though...

In my very humble experience, praetermissums take a long time to germinate (30 to 60 days), but the germination rates are rather high.  One just needs to be patient...

As for the chacos, they seem to germinate easily and quickly, like most domesticated varieties...

Well, chacoenses, as well as praetermissums, are just semi-wild (or semi-domesticated) and some varieties are actually pretty much domesticated in Brazil, and even grown widely for comercial reasons...

So, some varieties of these species might have been rather domesticated and the germination rates might be much higher... At least I have had no problems germinating most of the "Cumaris" (C. praetermissum) and putapario and other C. chacoense varieties...

They take a bit longer than the famous 5 domesticated species, but still germinate rather easily...

Thanks to everyone that participated in the Chile Meeting! It was great!

It was really nice to be received and welcome as if I was an old-timer, even though I didn't know anyone personnaly there.  You guys rule!

I will, for sure, try to attend all the future meetings you organize, but I won't promise that I'll try stuff like "The Source", especially seen the pain some of you had to endure :lol: :mrgreen:

So, now it is confirmed! I'm joining you in the Vaasa Chile Meeting

I'll be driving from Vantaa on my car, probably Tommi is coming with me (as I think he said above).

There's still place for 2 in the car, so if there's anyone else going from Helsinki area that wants a ride, just let me know! Also if there is someone that lives "on the way" from Vantaa to Vaasa, we could stop by to pick him/her/them up.

Sharing the fuel expenses is not mandatory

Hi,

I think I'll *finally* be able to join this one!

Anyone going from the Helsinki area?

Pertsa can you tell me more details in English?

Cheers!

This is a cool idea :-) In fact, a few days ago I installed my own Wiki on my chile forum in Portuguese :-)

Nice initiative!

Thanks! I understand a little Finnish (very little), but I think I'll probably buy this magazine anyway ;-)

I've been in Sydney, came back a week ago, but still haven't been able to catch up with everything...  I'll try to show up at #fatalii.net this evening

Any chance you could translate the message above? I just understood that it's something about a chile article in some Finnish magazine?

Hi!

Wrong topic or wrong language? ;-)

This sounds really good! Anything that makes germinating wild varieties easier is always welcome!

Actually, I accidentally experienced something similar with a C. galapagoense.  I was getting tired of waiting for it to germinate and forgot about it, and without water the seed dried out.  After about 1 week, I decided to water it again and suddenly, after just a couple of days, it started germinating!

At that time I didn't realize that the drying out could be the reason why it germinated... But now your experiments support that! Cool!