Olisiko kiinnostuneita mukaan chilipiknikille esim. Suokkiin kesän kuluessa? :wink:
Tottakai.
Ja jos tässä ehtii jotain kypsyäkin(no boliviaaneja ehtii joo varmasti, mutta mitään makua niissä ei ole) niin voihan sitä aina maistiaisia tuoda.
Mites on muut edellisten tapaamisten hemmot, Aji Inferno, pekkak jne?
Ja heitetääs sitten samantien alkuun jo ilman kunnon porukkavarmuuttakaan niin jo vähän ajankohtaspekulaatiota:
Nyt alkukesästä kesäkuun-heinäkuun alun puolella vai sitten loppukesästä heinäkuun ja elokuun puolella?
Mä kannattaisin ehkä jo kesäkuuta, jos vain hyviä säitä löytyy. Heinäkuussa olen itse vähemmän Helsingissä, pidemmän aikaa oikeastaan vasta ihan loppukuusta.
Lisää väkeä? :) Ja vaikka vielä ei satoa olisikaan, voisihan niitä chilikastikkeita taas maistella...
Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Lumia"Olisiko kiinnostuneita mukaan chilipiknikille esim. Suokkiin kesän kuluessa? :wink:
Suokki on aina hieno paikka kyllä. Koppa kaljaa, muutama kertisgrilli grillattavineen ja ei muutakuin kallioille pötköttää :)
No nyt puhutaan asiaa! :lol:
Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Lumia"Olisiko kiinnostuneita mukaan chilipiknikille esim. Suokkiin kesän kuluessa? :wink:
Totta helkkarissa! :-)
Kyllä juu.. täältä tulee ääni myöskin kesäkuun tapaamiselle. Satoa siinä tapauksessa tuskin kenelläkään on, mutta omalta osaltani(jos ehtii) niin voin tuoda ensimmäisen kypsän bolivian rainbown ihmeteltäväksi.. sekä tietysti parit soosit.
Ja Tommi... mites on.. voiko pummata taas kerran kyydin? :) (täytyy kyllä myöntää, että puoli syytä tuohon on, että haluan jonkun arvostelemaan rehujani :) )
Jaaha, jos on uutta miittiä tulossa niin tulen mielelläni, ja kesäkuu sopii hyvin.
Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Tupakka"Satoa siinä tapauksessa tuskin kenelläkään on
Mulla on muuten kaupan chileissä jo hedelmiä....
Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Maba"Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Tupakka"Satoa siinä tapauksessa tuskin kenelläkään on
Mulla on muuten kaupan chileissä jo hedelmiä....
Dutch-Habanero on jo täynnä kypsiä hedelmiä, eli varokaapa maistiaisia... ;) Kypsymässä myös mm. Aji Cristalia, Rocopicaa, Rocotoa, Rain Forest -baccaa ja yhtä c.chacoensea...
Tupakka: eiköhän kyyti hoidu jos aikataulut vain suinkin sopivat. :)
Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Aji Inferno"Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Maba"Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Tupakka"Satoa siinä tapauksessa tuskin kenelläkään on
Mulla on muuten kaupan chileissä jo hedelmiä....
Dutch-Habanero on jo täynnä kypsiä hedelmiä, eli varokaapa maistiaisia... ;) Kypsymässä myös mm. Aji Cristalia, Rocopicaa, Rocotoa, Rain Forest -baccaa ja yhtä c.chacoensea...
Tupakka: eiköhän kyyti hoidu jos aikataulut vain suinkin sopivat. :)
Jaa.. no sitten olikin väärässä. Mutta positiivinen juttu.. hyvähän niitä maistiaisia on saada. Erityisesti Dutch-Haba kiinnostaa maultaan, mutta tietty muutkin(eikä tota Cristalia tarvi edes kypsyttää). Itsekkin saatan kyllä raakaa Cristalia saada jos onni käy.
Ja eiköhän ne aikataulut hoidu... :)
Onko kenelläkään päivästä ehdotusta?
Hello!
Could anyone give me some information about this picnic meeting in English? I'd really like to participate too! :D
Lainaus käyttäjältä: "luca"Hello!
Could anyone give me some information about this picnic meeting in English? I'd really like to participate too! :D
People are still talking about date. Place for the meeting could be Suomenlinna in Helsinki.
Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Maba"Onko kenelläkään päivästä ehdotusta?
Maba says: Anyone got a date suggestion?
Miten olis sillon 16.6 lauantaina kun Tampereellakin pidetään? Vai onko täältä lähdössä ihmisiä sinne? Saatais kahdet miittireportaasit samana päivänä. Toinen mahdollisuus olis sitten 23. päivä. Mielipiteitä?
How about saturday 16th June? There would be two meetings at the same day, here and in Tampere. Or is someone from the capital region going to the Tampere meeting? Another option would be saturday 23rd. Opinions?
I should be pretty good in English but let's hope that I don't freeze up when I have to speak to someone face to face.
Nice! Both the 16th and the 23rd of June are good for me :) It will definitely be nice to meet some more chileheads from the Helsinki area ;)
Actually I think that 16th would be better because 23rd is the midsummer when we are at our summer cottage like many other are too. If 16th isn't okay with some people, the meeting is probably going to be pushed back to 30th.
If you ask me, the meeting wouldn't have to be on a saturday(summer holiday) but I believe that most of the people are in work.
Ikävä kyllä mä en pääse paikalle 16.6. 30.6 sopisi hyvin.
Unfortunately, I cannot participate in the meeting at the 16th of June. 30rd of June would be OK.
Kaipa se 30. päivä on sitten aika hyvä. Mites muut? Vai joudutaanko viemään heinäkuun puolelle?
I guess 30th is good then. What do you think? Or do we have to push it back even further to July?
For me the 30th would be fine as well ;) My only "requirement" is that the date is decided in advance :lol:
Noh? Aji Inferno, Jassu, Maba?
Vieläkö mukana? Jos niin, niin laittakaas kommenttia kehiin päivämäärien puolesta.
Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Tupakka"Noh? Aji Inferno, Jassu, Maba?
Vieläkö mukana? Jos niin, niin laittakaas kommenttia kehiin päivämäärien puolesta.
Mun puolesta arpokaa joku pvm, katson sitten miten se omaan, suht tiuhaan päivittyvään, kalenteriin passaa.
Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Jassu"Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Tupakka"Noh? Aji Inferno, Jassu, Maba?
Vieläkö mukana? Jos niin, niin laittakaas kommenttia kehiin päivämäärien puolesta.
Mun puolesta arpokaa joku pvm, katson sitten miten se omaan, suht tiuhaan päivittyvään, kalenteriin passaa.
No kolmaskymmenes päivä on tässä ollu esillä ja se kolmelle ihmiselle jo sopii.
Mites sulle?
Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Tupakka"Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Jassu"Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Tupakka"Noh? Aji Inferno, Jassu, Maba?
Vieläkö mukana? Jos niin, niin laittakaas kommenttia kehiin päivämäärien puolesta.
Mun puolesta arpokaa joku pvm, katson sitten miten se omaan, suht tiuhaan päivittyvään, kalenteriin passaa.
No kolmaskymmenes päivä on tässä ollu esillä ja se kolmelle ihmiselle jo sopii.
Mites sulle?
Mulle ei käy sillon koska ollaan sillon tallinassa... Mulle kävis muuten kyllä millon vaan elokuussa.... :cry:
Maba: Noh.. elokuulta löytyy jo miitti, eikä ihan mikä tahansa miitti.
Jotenka.. jos tätä koko juttua järjestää aiotaan, eikä ihan tuon festarin viereen haluta niin taitais mahkut olla tässä tulevana viikonloppuna tai sitten parit ekat heinäkuun viikonloput..
Mites on, ihmiset?
Itseäni kiinnostaisi kovasti miittailla vielä ennen isoa miittiä. Ymmärränhän minä jos töitä tai mökkimenoja on mutta sanokaa nyt hyvänen aika jotain!
30th is the day of Puistoblues in Järvenpää, so it's about the only date not ok for me in the near future... :( What about Sunday 31st? Or should we meet at Puistoblues? :)
Unless someone has some magical skills, I don't think that 31st would be ok with anyone. Because there is no 31st :D I mean if we're still talking about June.
But, seriously, you must've ment 1st of July. That's perfectly fine with me, the only problem being the F1 GP that afternoon. However, our meeting is the priority if this date is ok with everyone.
The 1st of June is OK for me too.
Are we going to meet in Suomenlinna? The weather doesn´t seem very sunny right now...
The first of JULY, I mean... :)
1st of July should be okay with me too :) I mean, if the weather improves, of course. At least today, the forecast is showing an improvement on saturday (mostly sunny 20C), but we never know...
Unfortunately, I still have a challenge - I managed to hurt my foot and can't walk at all right now... :( If it calms down enough by Sunday, I'll certainly be there - if not, then can't help it, I guess. Seems to be some kind of a jinx - happened last summer, too. :evil:
If Aji Inferno can't get there, I will have a slight problem too(assuming that I was going to get a ride). But that should be solvable. But let's hope that Tommi's foot get's better. Ofcourse I don't know any details but I had a similar jinx a couple months ago. It was sore a pretty long time but atleast I could walk with it after a couple of days. Running was a problem but we aren't running, are we. So there is hope. And I can also assume that he would want to get to the meeting so the power of will can make miracles too! :)
And the weather. Let's see.. Foreca says there will be some rain at 9'o clock atleast, I can't see any further. FMI on the other hand does not forecast any rain, just some clouds. I assume that they could both be right.. some rain at the morning but the rest of the day should be dry. That's enough for me because I've never been after the sun.
And the time. I suggest 2 pm.
And the place. I believe that Suomenlinna is a good place. But we need to arrange some meeting point. How about at the green circle on the map. At the main dock.
(http://www.elisanet.fi/suomalainen/suomenlinna.PNG)
Now it seems that the weather forecast is improving :) Neither FMI nor FORECA are seeing any rain during the weekend!
So, I agree with the time and place. Suomenlinna at the main dock at 2pm.
I hope Tommi can join us too and he has recovered (at least partly) from his foot. I also twist my ankle once in a while and I agree that in the first few days one can hardly walk, but later it is at least possible to walk before fully recovering. So, TOMMI! Let's go!
About the food/drinks, I guess everyone brings his/her own. Of course we should share and pass our spiciest snacks around too :)
So far, it's just Tupakka, Lumi, myself (maybe my girlfriend) and maybe Tommi coming, right? Anyone else?
Looking forward to meeting you guys!
I'm slightly optimistic about my participation - unless things suddenly get a lot worse, I think I can make it there.
A warning, though: I have some ripe Rocopicas and Dutch-Habas etc... That will mean pain for you guys as well! :twisted:
Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Aji Inferno"I'm slightly optimistic about my participation - unless things suddenly get a lot worse, I think I can make it there.
A warning, though: I have some ripe Rocopicas and Dutch-Habas etc... That will mean pain for you guys as well! :twisted:
Great that you can probably get there. Should we some arrangements if you (once again) are going to give me a ride? I will send a pm to you unless you do it before me.
I can remember the pain from the ulupicas very well, yes but do these rocoto crossings have even more heat? Also i'm very interested in those seeds. And btw, which generation are those Dutch-Habas?
Too bad that I don't have anything fresh for you to taste. Well, I do have a few ripe Bolivian Rainbows but I doubt that anyone of you would like to taste them.
Tommi, great to hear that you most likely will participate too! :D
Unfortunately I don't have any ripe pods either... Maybe one small Pimenta-da-Neyde, but one never knows when it's really ripe ;)
Lainaus käyttäjältä: "luca"Tommi, great to hear that you most likely will participate too! :D
Unfortunately I don't have any ripe pods either... Maybe one small Pimenta-da-Neyde, but one never knows when it's really ripe ;)
I got very interested in these rarer and weirder species and varieties. So I started looking for some seeds to grow next year.
In the end, I don't quite know how rare this variety is but i would be extremely glad if you had a few seeds to share.
My seedlist it at the moment filled with just some pretty common varieties(this is why I'm asking!) but if you want something in change I can give you a link to my list and see if I haven't used it already(I have very few seeds for most of my varieties).
Thanks in advance.
Ok, guys! So is everything set?
My girlfriend (Elina) has already cooked some of her very tasty and spicy pies, so we're all set for the picnic tomorrow ;) Ah, and, of course, the beers are already in the fridge 8)
Let's meet up at the main dock. We're going by train and taking the ferry (so I can drink some beers), so maybe we'll meet at the ferry itself.
I have Tommi's phone number, I think he has mine too (do you still have it, Tommi?) so if we have any planing mismatch we can call each other.
Tupakka, I'll bring that Neyde pod. It's a very small one and I'm not sure if it's ripe yet, but you can have it to take the seeds or, at least, taste it. I'll be bringing along some of the seeds I have to spare too, if someone is interested.
Tommi, I'm looking forward for some pain from your rocopicas! ;) I might even spit out some seeds of those, so I can sow them as well :lol:
Looking forward to seeing you, dudes! :D
So, I didn't go to the Puistoblues after all - If I had, my foot certainly wouldn't have been in walking condition for our tomorrow's meeting... Now, unless bad surprises happen, I'll be there with you.
Things to taste for tomorrow:
- Aji Cristal (ripe & raw)
- PI-260567 (raw)
- Dutch Habanero F1 (ripe & raw)
- c.chacoense (raw)
- Rain Forest baccatum (ripe & raw)
- Rocopica c.cardenasii (ripe & raw)
- Starfish (raw)
Possibly something else, if I find surprises from the plants...
Rock,
Tommi
Thanks Luca!
As I said earlier, I'll bring a few ripe bolivian rainbow pods to taste. Everyone knows what they taste like but.. just to compare it to the chiles Tommi is bringing. Also, I will take Jersey Death, Jalapeno Tequila sauce and Chipotle Slam with me. Additionally, I might take some Habanero powder from last year. Then, I could quickly put up a stinging sauce from dry birds eyes, habanero powder, chipotle slam and a few drops of Jersey Death.
So, unless anything strange happens, we'll have lot's of things to taste tomorrow!
Ps. Tommi, you better bring your sauces too!
We´ll meet soon! :)
Thank you, Tommi, Lumia and Luca, it was a great meeting once again!
Especially thanks to Luca for the Neyde and a few other varieties of seeds! Also thanks to Tommi for the ride.
Yes, big thanks, guys for a very nice chili evening! :-)
These events rock! ;)
T.
Yes, thanks to you all! It was great to meet you and have a very nice hot and hot (sunny) afternoon!
I'm already feeling some of the "Possible Side Effects" :cry:
Thanks Tommi for the huge load of capsaicin I got today :lol:
Lainaus käyttäjältä: "luca"
I'm already feeling some of the "Possible Side Effects" :cry:
Thanks Tommi for the huge load of capsaicin I got today :lol:
I just came from the bathroom and my ass is on fire. I can't even imagine how you will feel after a trip to the toilet.
Yeah! I've been there too those were the side-effects I was talking about ;) OUCH! OUCH! OUCH!
Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Aji Inferno"...
- Rocopica c.cardenasii (ripe & raw)
...
BTW, Tommi, those pods you brought were Rocopicas, right? I wrote Ulupica instead of Rocopica, but since we were talking about them being a cross or not, I guess they were Rocopicas as you wrote earlier. Is that right?
Yes, Luca - the "official" term is Ulupica (used in native Bolivia of peppers of this sort). Many people here do, however, prefer the hobbyist-made nickname "Rocopica" because they see this plant as a normal crossing, not a wild or even semiwild plant. The truth is out there somewhere, as they say. ;-)
Perhaps term "Large-berried Ulupica" might be proper, because there is no possible way we can tell which of these are ad-hoc crossings and which ones are natural, established semi-wild or even wild forms... Both types certainly exist.
Btw: good luck with your "OUCH!" side-effects! ;-) Pain is good, they say... Just always wonder who the heck those "they" are! :twisted:
Ok.. this got me very confused.
When we first met in Helsinki, in the Ani restaurant, I got some Ulupica-pods from you(Tommi).
So, now I'm wondering if these are pure cardenasii or are they rocoto crossings? In my seedlist (http://www.elisanet.fi/suomalainen/lajikelista.html) I have them under C. cardenasii. Should I change that?
Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Tupakka"Ok.. this got me very confused.
When we first met in Helsinki, in the Ani restaurant, I got some Ulupica-pods from you(Tommi).
So, now I'm wondering if these are pure cardenasii or are they rocoto crossings? In my seedlist (http://www.elisanet.fi/suomalainen/lajikelista.html) I have them under C. cardenasii. Should I change that?
Don't rush with conclusions! ;) Some people think they're merely crossings, some think they are genuine, big-fruit forms of c.cardenasii/eximium. For example, USDA lists one of these "Rocopicas" as a c.cardenasii. So, we can all believe whatever we want to, because nobody knows for sure!
Still, I believe (not certain!) that the two Ulupicas I have are not just crossings, but more established, more or less wild forms. For example, the brown (not black) seeds and other traits hint at that.
If you name your seeds as "Rocopica", you may be wrong. Also, if you list them as "c.cardenasii" some people will tell you you're wrong... But if you list them as "big-berry type Ulupica", then you're right. :) It's a chaos out there - a species c.cardenasii doesn't even exist according to perhaps the greatest chili researcher, A.T.Hunziker...
Well.. I opened the dry pods I got from you and the seeds are... black. Maybe SLIGHTLY brownish but certainly not like the seeds in example in annuums and baccatums(yellowish brown).
So, with:
LainausStill, I believe (not certain!) that the two Ulupicas I have are not just crossings, but more established, more or less wild forms. For example, the brown (not black) seeds and other traits hint at that.
did you mean that the seeds would be almost black, but brownish or did you mean they would be like annuums' or baccatums' seeds are?
Thank you all for the great meeting!
Here are some photos:
http://picasaweb.google.com/Chilimiitti2007?authkey=5KmTqmhOfok
Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Tupakka"Well.. I opened the dry pods I got from you and the seeds are... black. Maybe SLIGHTLY brownish but certainly not like the seeds in example in annuums and baccatums(yellowish brown).
So, with:
LainausStill, I believe (not certain!) that the two Ulupicas I have are not just crossings, but more established, more or less wild forms. For example, the brown (not black) seeds and other traits hint at that.
did you mean that the seeds would be almost black, but brownish or did you mean they would be like annuums' or baccatums' seeds are?
I just opened two berries and the seeds are medium brown... Like wood. Darker than annuums or baccatums but definitely brown, not black by any imagination... Interesting. :shock:
Yeah.. that is just what I ment. So.. we now have three differently colored seeds.. does this mean anything?
Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Tupakka"Yeah.. that is just what I ment. So.. we now have three differently colored seeds.. does this mean anything?
Nothing to lose sleep for. ;) We know that those Ulupicas are the "big berry" form, whatever the origins might be. They are not pure c.eximiums and it's currently unclear if c.cardenasii even exists... So, we have to live with knowledge that this Ulupica-form is most likely a crossing, but we don't know how old and established one it is. Or whether it is a natural crossing or not. It's a great plant, anyway! :)
You can see some of the pictures I took at the picnic here:
http://www.pimentas.org/galeria/displayimage.php?&pos=-154
:D
That`s quite a "MacGyver- knife" in the last pic! That`s something like 60 blades? :D
So maybe it would be safest to list that Ulupica under C.sp...
And a surprisingly good photo of me this time. They tend to usually fail.
Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Tupakka"So maybe it would be safest to list that Ulupica under C.sp...
And a surprisingly good photo of me this time. They tend to usually fail.
It's not capsicum sp. That would mean an unknown species. This one is known. It is basically a c.eximium x c.pubescens. Whether a natural crossing or man-made, that is unknown...
Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Aji Inferno"Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Tupakka"So maybe it would be safest to list that Ulupica under C.sp...
And a surprisingly good photo of me this time. They tend to usually fail.
It's not capsicum sp. That would mean an unknown species. This one is known. It is basically a c.eximium x c.pubescens. Whether a natural crossing or man-made, that is unknown...
Ok.. I think I got it now. So it CERTAINLY is a crossing? And I should use c.eximium instead of cardenasii?
Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Tupakka"Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Aji Inferno"Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Tupakka"So maybe it would be safest to list that Ulupica under C.sp...
And a surprisingly good photo of me this time. They tend to usually fail.
It's not capsicum sp. That would mean an unknown species. This one is known. It is basically a c.eximium x c.pubescens. Whether a natural crossing or man-made, that is unknown...
Ok.. I think I got it now. So it CERTAINLY is a crossing? And I should use c.eximium instead of cardenasii?
Depends who you ask. ;) Prof. A.T.Hunziker sees that there is only c.eximium (and c.cardenasii is just a synonym to that). I've chosen to follow that practice, since Hunziker was very probably the top capsicum scientist in the world. Other people may disagree...
Also, "Rocopica" certainly *was* a crossing - but so have been many other peppers, even some that we call individual species today.
The problem is here: whereas you can't (I think) cross things to produce c.chinense or c.frutescens as they are today, you can cross c.eximium and c.pubescens anytime to get something like Rocopica. And still, it's not only possible but also extremely likely that there *are* also established, practically wild forms of these very same crossings growing wild or semi-wild in Bolivia!
So, we can all decide about anything we like - because nobody knows the truth for sure, at least not yet... 8)