i posted this for Sarkka a time ago...

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From: DENISEVOLEI
To: Sauli Särkkä
Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:26 am
Subject: Re: seeds  
hi

... ohhhhh ok!! i hope...
i hate when its happen too..
i will stop to do changes cause i posted more than 20 letters a lot of seeds and only receive back 4..
regards
denise

...I dont know what is happen... i dont SELL SEEDS of ANY species.. you are wrong!! and all the seeds that i change is mine and it is NOT Hybrid.. all my first seeds i bought a long time ago with chilli farmers here in brazil.. ceara, amazonas, sao paulo, minas e goias, tambem no Mercado Livre in Brazil and on E-bay USA and England.. . i plant them and i have a lot of.. i dont need to sell seeds its not my interest cause i have a doctoral degree in social  psychologist and a master of of physical Education i dont have time to do it.. i work on both professions, peppers or seeds its not my interest its only my hobby.. changing seeds and planting them..
I dont have a misterious disappear.. i dont spend my time 24 hours a day in internet, i have 3 jobs and 1 social project, . i have a real life.. i have real friends,, real familly and really jobs,, i dont spend my life telling speculations, making gossips or monitored pepper seeds on net
there are some reason that i dont posted in foruns anymore, but i dont need to make any explanations but one of this reasons is that i stop do to changes cause i send a lot of seeds a lot! spend my time my money - it costs about 1 dollar each - and i only receive back 5.. in all the foruns that i belong.. I posted more than 35 packs full of seeds.  So decide to stop and only change with this 5 people who really send me back the seeds.. 3 from USA 2 from Europe..
In this forum i send for 2 people and I DONT RECEIVE ANY >> NO SEEDS BACK..!! i dont have a reason to lie..
So i decide too.. make a social project here and give all MY seeds to a poor families that dont have jobs and dont have food to eat, and live near my propriety,  i have in my project 30 families so i give them my brazillian pepper seeds and seeds of carrots, lettuce, tomatoes, cucumber, beans and what i have.. i have a social responsability and i'm making my part of it! they study, they plant .. they eat some and sell others.. DIGNITY.. word that many persons doesnt know..
I think that we would take care about yourselves its ugly to tell things that we dont know or things that we suppose.. and dont need to control everything to make things come easy to me.. and i dont need to put people in every place asking seeds for my forum.. cause i dont have one,,
i`m not a opportunist.. like some are... i`m what i am.. and i have a really good friends in others forum .. i dont need telling lies to obtain things and i`m not jeallous if someone obtain more seeds.. more changes or have more species them I have..
i DONT have Hybrid Plants or Hybrid Seeds cause i ISOLATED all of my plants and seeds.. i dont know why are you telling that i Never change ANY seeds with you, i dont know you..  and in portuguese forum i give up a long time ago.. its boaring.. i dont have any interest to post there..  this forum, the have 2 or 3 owners,   i only change with 2 or 3 people cause there all the seeds that appears  stops on 2 or 3 people .. and if they plant them they will see that they are NOT hybrid..
and all the seeds that  i receive i dont change..
I guarantee that all the seeds that i post is NOT HYBRID, have a good quality and all belong to the real variety that i wrote outside the mini packs.
I know john, different from the another guy that i dont know, john is respectable man, study pepper, love them and are honest.. John all the seeds that i send to you belongs to the real variety, they are NOT hybrid and have good quality.. and all the seeds that you send to me I plant i, i isolate them . eveything is isolated and they are growing fast, specially the annuns...very very tall..wondenderful... thanks!!
you are great!
Regards
denise



"Dont send to the pigs things that they dont know how to eat!

Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Nuthead"I sent an envelope too for about 4 weeks ago and they haven't arrived yet. I'm thinking about trying again, but....
...it's not fun to send some nice seeds when you don't know if they get there at all. Let's hope they do!  

hello nuthead..

I didnt receive yours too... I dont know whats happen...
denise

Lainaus käyttäjältä: "SarkkaS"Let's hope everything goes all right and all of the seeds come sooner or later. Did you receive any more letters from Finland besides mine?

hello my friend..

i hope so...
i never receive any letters from finland until now..
denise



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Lainaus käyttäjältä: "SarkkaS"I thought I'd bring this up, if anyone happened to know.

We've been having trouble getting seeds to Denise. I sent the seeds about a month ago and they haven't arrived as of yet. Denise sent me seeds about 3 weeks ago and they came last week, after only 2 weeks of travel.

Denise has sent several seed packets to Finland and they seem to arrive fine, but the seed packets we are sending from here don't seem to get there.

Would anyone happen to know what is going on? Are the seeds getting stuck in customs somewhere?

I don't know about the others, but I sent the seeds in a normal letter, with (if I recall correctly) some flat foam on both sides, so the seeds don't get crushed in processing.



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hi sarkkas...

I dont receive the seeds yet.. . today i receive 2 packs from USA
with a lots of seeds.. full of it!!  it takes only 2 weeks.. i dont know whats
its happen but i usually receive packs from usa but from europe its very difficult to receive.. i dont know why...
regards
denise

Lainaus käyttäjältä: "tupakka"

Lainaus käyttäjältä: "DENISEVOLEI"EXCUSES MY ENGLISH MISTAKES... BUT I TRY MY BEST...

Your english isn't the problem.

The problem is that quite annoying habit of yours. We can read uncapitalized text. Please don't use THE CAPITAL LETTERS. Thank you.

Sorry for the attitude but those big caps are really annoying to read. And I seem to remember that someone, possibly Janne, already has informed you about the issue. It really looks like shouting. I can imagine how you're sitting in front of your keyboard, shouting and writing with your fists instead of fingers.

hi..
thank you and sorry about the capital letter.. i will remember it...
i dont have a problem with this and i dont think that who write with this letter is shouting...



Then let's get into the point.

I do really agree with everyone who do think that those seeds should be distributed. Even the rare plants might grow only in the precious brazilian rainforests at the moment, I don't think that Brazil really owns those plants. I think that those plants don't belong to anyone, and the decisions concerning them should be made in the UN or an international commission.

But still I do think that bio-piracy is an issue. The issue would be solved if the locations and similar info would not be published. I said earlier that those seeds should get into distribution, but I didn't ment they would be given to anyone. I believe that it would be good to give the opportunity to grow those plants to reliable people. To reliable growers who wouldn't give any pods or seeds away. After a while the plant could be let to be distributed, but the original info should be kept in secrecy.

This time I have hope MY nightime-english is fine with minimal amount of errors. I don't know why I have this feeling that I must write complicated english or I would look like an idiot. Well, I guess I'm just trying to sound like an expert, what I am certainly not.


Waiting for comments,

Tupakka(finnish for cigarette or tobacco. Don't ask.)

i have a privilege to live and born in my country... brasil... tropical country... where the sun shines all year,,, is winter here now... 31 degrees.. sun all day... i was on the beach.. i have the perfect enviroment  to grow everything that i ( we ) want... everythin that we can plant here grows! we have rare and unusual peppers.. not only peppers some wild species.. our flora is very rich... rich not only abou the flora.. we are rich on gold.. minerals... petrol (oil) and so on ... in a rain florest that you told... you can see gold in the rivers... we dont need too buy petrol or oil... we have it here... in this rain florest - amazonas - near peru and bolivia... we have a lot of wild species know and certainly unknow too.. ohhhh... we have some herbs too... most of them had been studied for the cure of many deseases..- such as cancer and aids..-  its true that we have some restrictions here when we talk about seeds...  but it is our problem... we dont need to put anything that belong to us in a international hand or international comittes... this problems are ours.. so... we can and should solve them...
DENISE

Lainaus käyttäjältä: "luca"The main problem is that there has been some cases in which people from Japan and the US have registered (patented) some brazilian plant/fruit varieties as been from their native country (and not from Brazil).  This is called bio-piracy and the government has taken some actions to try to stop it from happenenig.  So, in fact, it is illegal to "export" seeds/plants/fruits of wild species.  For this reason, it is not easy to get seeds via the "official" path.

Embrapa (Brazilian Agricultural Research Corporation) collects, identifies, studies and preserves the germplasm of these wild species.  But there are so many different plants spread out around the country (and certainly some species which remain unknown) that, in my opinion, it is impossible for them to do the job alone.  Embrapa doesn't provide seeds for private use, only for research done inside Brazil.  And they don't encourage (or inform) the general public to collect and help them in the task of cataloging and studying brazilian wild flora (capsicum or else).  (Note: this is not the official policy, just what I found out when trying to contact them)

These wild species seem to be rather common throughout Brazil, but brazilian people is not aware of them, therefore they remain mostly unknown or unnoticed

.... I AGREE WITH YOU LUCA... THAT ARE A LOT A LOT OF RULES ABOUT SEEDS ... I SEND A E-MAIL TO OUR AGRICULTURAL MINISTERY AND THEM THEY SEND TO ME SOME ANSWERS.. TELLIN ME ALL THE RESTRICTIONS THAT WE HAVE.. I WILL SEND IT TO YOU... AND IF YOU WANT YOU CAN TRANSLATE AND POST HERE...
REGARDS
DENISE

Lainaus käyttäjältä: "luca"Someone mentioned my name? ;-)

Hi Denise, nice to see you here too.  Inferno is a great place to be! :lol:
I think Denise already "knows" me from my forum in Portuguese.  

BTW, I actually work here in Finland... I'm glad I already finished my studies (actually, I finished my studies almost 10 years ago! )

HELLO LUCA....

THANK YOU FOR YOUR REGARDS... NICE TO SEE YOU TOO...
.. YES... I KNOW YOU FROM YOUR PORTUGUESE FORUM... I`M A MEMBER THERE TOO...
ONE MORE TIME THANK YOU...
CHEERS
DENISE

Lainaus käyttäjältä: "thietavu"Welcome to Inferno, Denise!

Glad to see people from all over the world here, interested in same things - these wonderful little devils called chili!

Yes, I think we all are *very* interested in Brazilean peppers - you, after all, have most of the rarest wild chili peppers growing in Brazil. Also, Brazilean researchers seem to have the best chili knowledge in the world now. Brazilean peppers seem to be quite distinctive, different from other varieties, even from neighbouring South American countries.

By the way, we have Luca as a member here - your fellow-Brazilean who now studies in Finland... He has already introduced us to some wonderful Brazilean plants! Can't wait to find more... :-)


Cheers,
Tommi

HELLO TOMMI... HOW ARE YOU?
THANKS FOR ALL...
OHHH YES... I THINK THAT WE HAVE A GREAT ENVIRONMENT TO GROW PEPPERS... AND WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE RARE... UNIQUE AND UNSUAL.. BUT ITS DIFFICULT TO FIND SOME OF THEM HERE TOO...
I HAVE SOME SEEDS TO CHANGE IF YOU WANT TELL ME...
AND THANK YOU AGAIN...
BEST REGARDS
DENISE...

EXCUSES MY ENGLISH MISTAKES... BUT I TRY MY BEST...

:lol:  thanks for all regards...

... my peppers and seeds stays on my beach house... every weekends i will go there...
now.. i have a little vacations and i will go to there and i only come back on august.. but please dont stop to send me messages.. i will answer all when i come back or when it will be possible,,
excuse my english but i try my best..
thanks for all..
denise

hello...

i will send you a mp too... telling that..
thank you
denise

... hello sarkka....

i will send you a mp telling what i have to change...
regards
denise

:oops:  excuses janne.... its not my intention...
thanks for your regards
denise

... CONGRATULATION!!

YOU HAVE A BEAUTIFUL PLANTLIST!!
I`LL SEND YOU A PM...
REGARDS
AND THANK YOU
DENISE

THANK YOU !!!


LETS.. CHANGE SEEDS... RSSS...
I WILL SEE YOUR PLANTLIST AND THEN WE CHANGE...
THANKS FOR YOUR ATTENTION
CHEERS
DENISE

... HELLO... I`M NEW IN THIS GROUP AND I WANT TO SAY HELLO FOR EVERYBODY...

MY NAME IS DENISE I`M FROM BRAZIL - RIO DE JANEIRO - AND I`M INTERESTING TO CHANGE SEEDS...
I HAVE BRAZILLIAN PEPPER SEEDS TO CHANGE..
THANK YOU...
REGARDS
DENISE