Cobincho cross

[riccardino]

Hello everybody,
my name is Riccardo and I live in Italy.
This is my first post in this forum I found thanks to Bassino and Fatalii.

I'm mainly interested in wild peppers and other solanaceae.

Here is a couple of pics of what I got from what it was supposed to be a Cobincho seed.

It is clearly some kind of cross and it is a really interesting plant.
It stll has the common wild characteristics that the pods fall down when you shake the plant, but it has not so little pods (1-2 cm) and a really interesting flower.
The plant really recall a C. Chacoense for attoitude and leaves shape, but unfortunately I did not take any pictures of it.





All the best
Riccardo

[Jonne]

have you tasted it yet?

[riccardino]

the taste is more or less the same of all the C. Chacoense I have: not particularly interesting and quite hot.

[Fatalii]

The flower looks so pretty, can't wait to grow it!

[JartsaP]

Riccardino, welcome! I'm also very interested in other (mostly edible) solanaceae species, what species other than Capsicums have you grown?

[Aji Inferno]

Wow... quite a flower! Wonder what's the other part in this crossing...

[riccardino]

Hi,
I have many solanum and lycopersicon species and a few physalis, cyphomandra, datura, tubocapsicum species.

Many of them are recent acquisition and I did not tried them yet, other are well consolidated. I'm always looking for new ones ...

I prefer the edible ones, but love the poisonous too.

Regarding the flower in the pic I hope the purple nuances will be still present in the next generation, but being a cross I do not know what will happen.

All the best
Riccardo

[JartsaP]

I studied all the photos available of Cobincho flowers - all others have pure white flowers. I also checked all USDA accessions, all stated flowers to be white without spots and yellow anthers. And according to the chile cross-pollination table, C. Chacoense should not cross with purple-flower species. So where does this color come from? Could it be some purple-flowered annuum (like Bolivian Rainbow or some other ornamental) or a mutation? Or even some yet unknown, purple flowered Capsicum species from the deepest South-American jungle?    

Very interesting. Have you tried how it grows outdoors? I recall Jukka having good experiences of "normal" Cobincho outdoors.

[Fatalii]

Well, like you said, chacoense can cross-pollinate with C. annuums and there are many purple -flowered C. annuums out there...

The flower shown above has definitely some C. chacoense characteristics.
Also, I can see some ornamental C. annuum traits there with a little bit of imagination.
Stems and pedicel resembles more C. annuum.

C. annuum x baccatum cross was also very interesting, as the typical C. baccatum -spots were almost impossible to notice.

About the C. exile (and other C. chacoenses) grown outdoors:
They did really well, they actually managed to ripen the pods before it got too cold and seemed to enjoy it specially when grown near to the sea.

First pics, producing pods at the beginning of the season!
http://juuri.org/fatalii/?u=g&c=search&word=ground&id=906

http://juuri.org/fatalii/?u=g&c=search&word=ground&id=1922

[JartsaP]

Capsicum riccardium?  :shock:

[riccardino]

I really do not know what to think about it.

I do not have any idea of where the purple comes from. However, for what I know chacoense can easily cross with annum. Since many annum are purple flowered this could be the source for the purple, but the real situation is that I actually do not have any idea of what this plant is.

The plant has several chacoense marks (I'm afraid I did not have a shot of the whole plant), but the flower do not really seems a chacoense: if you look at the calyx it is really smooth, while all other chacoense I tried have long teeth on it. Also the purple distribution on the flower is really strange: the anthers are somewhat purple, filaments are white and pistil is purple.
Based on the flower I would say it is an annuum, but believe me: the plant is absolutely different from any annuum I know and I know at least one of its parents was not an Annuum!

Another interesting tract is that the pods fall down when fully ripen and this seems to indicate a wild plant.

The only certainty is it is a really interesting plant.

For what concern growing it outdoor I grow all my plants outdoor, but potted since my soil is too heavy for peppers.

Riccardo

[riccardino]

I used about 40 minutes to write my post, you discused alot meanwhile ...

I like having a pepper with my name!!

Riccardo

[Fatalii]

Growing potted peppers is easy here in Finland but growing them in the ground... that's the hard part as the growth seems to slow down so much that the season will almost always run out short.

[JartsaP]

Oh, I already forgot what a nice, long and hot summers you have there. I have only visited northern parts of your country, but it was very warm, though the air was somehow hazy all around, despite the warm sunshine. I drove down from the Alps to Caorle, then visited Venezia, spent the weekend at lago Garda, and continued westward to Monaco and then Spain.  I loved the Italian food and icecream...  Of course you can grow peppers outdoors, how stupid of me.  :oops:

[riccardino]

Oh it was not so a stupid question: I have plenty of problem outdoor, but for the opposite reason you thought about. During summer here it is too hot and I have huge problems of flower dropping and few production. Consider that during some year we have temperature up to 40° degrees for several weeks (or months) without any single drop of rain and despite the rain absence it is usually very humid making ideal conditions for a lot of fungal disease.

Riccardo

[JohnF]

I have started Cobinch seeds from two sources for comparison and got two quite different plants. The first plant looks more like a 'wild' pepper and is younger. The second plant has very interesting flowers and two of them per node.

Cobincho-NMDUC


Cobincho-MDESH


Flower of the second plant

[bassino]

Hmm, where have the stamens gone from that flower?

[JohnF]

The flowers are very small but I have looked at others only partiallly open ( with a magnifier) and they are the same. It appears they don't open until the pod is already developing.

[luca]

Hmmmm... Quite interesting! That was also the first thing that came to my eyes when I saw the picture...

So, if the flowers don't open before they have been fertilized does it mean that the plant protects itself agains cross-polinization?

Very interesting stuff.  I got some Cobincho seeds, I guess I'll have to try that one too!

Excellent pictures, John!

[Tupakka]

I drove down from the Alps to Caorle, then visited Venezia, spent the weekend at lago Garda, and continued westward to Monaco and then Spain.

Where's Venezia?

Did you mean Venice?

(finnish: pilkunnussintaa...)