Cobincho cross

[Gekko]

A pod developing without stamens (and without pollen)?  :roll:

[bassino]

A pod developing without stamens (and without pollen)?  :roll:

Still wondering the same... John, have you really seen a pod forming there?

Could it be some kind of mutation or maybe they are just female-only flowers waiting for male Cobinchos to do their job. Hmm...that would be something totally unexpected.

[JohnF]

bassino

looks like a pod to me-here is another chile showing the progression-though it still has its stamens

[bassino]

Very nice picture with all those different stages!

But have you seen a pod forming in that particular plant. It looks like the other flower has no stamens either. I'm just speculating if the whole plant is fully sterile...

[JohnF]

No, that was the first one to open and I'm assuming it's a pod. Time will tell.

[Aji Inferno]

I really do not know what to think about it.

The plant has several chacoense marks (I'm afraid I did not have a shot of the whole plant), but the flower do not really seems a chacoense: if you look at the calyx it is really smooth, while all other chacoense I tried have long teeth on it. Also the purple distribution on the flower is really strange: the anthers are somewhat purple, filaments are white and pistil is purple.
Based on the flower I would say it is an annuum, but believe me: the plant is absolutely different from any annuum I know and I know at least one of its parents was not an Annuum!

Another interesting tract is that the pods fall down when fully ripen and this seems to indicate a wild plant.

Riccardo

Here's a flower of a real "c.exile" Cobincho, c.chacoense:

Your plant certainly is a puzzling case... Still, I've noticed interesting differencies in chacoenses. Ones from Paraguay, for example, seem to have a very different growing habit from some of Argentina origin. Some grow into messy bushes, some into baccatum-like tall "trees". As you write, most chacos have those very long calyx teeth, but the "c.exile" version is a notable exception! See: - and compare to another chacoense:

It has been reported that there are totally non-pungent chacos, etc. So, our knowledge of this particular capsicum isn't still perfect at all. It's rather closely related to annuums, so it just might contain annuum-like ability to form purple shades even without crossings... Anyway, there's more to chacoenses than I've thought before. Not very tasty but kind of interesting plants - and very resistant to insects, it seems.

[Guy]

Hi

I grew two different chacoenses last year and although I thought the Putapario lacked flavor, the other is simply top...great on goats cheese, lightly toasted on a hunk of french bread (lucky me its all I can get..LOL).

Unfortunately, I cant be precise about this second chacoense, as the seeds were simply labelled as "small unknown chacoense" and came from a seed exchange.

I must get images up into my photobucket album and post a few.

I also have an exile growing now that has a few fruit on it and plenty of flowers..it seems to be doing quite well in its current 13cm pot but is getting quite big now so will get moved up soon) I have yet to do any clear photos of that and will try to get some tomorrow so I can post images of all three chacoenses I have grown..I would be very interested in any comments.

All the best

Guy

[Aji Inferno]

Hi

I grew two different chacoenses last year and although I thought the Putapario lacked flavor, the other is simply top...great on goats cheese, lightly toasted on a hunk of french bread (lucky me its all I can get..LOL).

Unfortunately, I cant be precise about this second chacoense, as the seeds were simply labelled as "small unknown chacoense" and came from a seed exchange.

I must get images up into my photobucket album and post a few.

I also have an exile growing now that has a few fruit on it and plenty of flowers..it seems to be doing quite well in its current 13cm pot but is getting quite big now so will get moved up soon) I have yet to do any clear photos of that and will try to get some tomorrow so I can post images of all three chacoenses I have grown..I would be very interested in any comments.

All the best

Guy

All new info will be most appreciated here! :-)

[Guy]

Hi

I finally got a few pics..need better, but will have to do for now. I seem to be growing the same seeds as John....I am guessing by his code that its from the same source mine? :-)

The plant is a bit on the lanky side to say the least, the fisrt photo was at 100 days from seed sowing.




The flowers look very similar to the chacoenses I had last year. Heres one of the chacos 2005.




And a flower from this years C.exile. I really like the flowers, similar to the chacoense above but the petals are fatter and more oval/heart shaped with a point.



One of the five pods set so far indoors with no insects. This one is a little more rounded at the tip than some of its siblings, the others are more pointed.



I guess its not Cobincho as it has the long calyx teeth as you can see. Though I can see a little difference in the flowers, the way the plant has grown is very much like the two 2005 chacoenses I had (the Putapario and the unamed chaco in the photo above). I will add ripe pod photos when they arrive!! Looking forward to a spot of testing (and seed collecting of course Chris..LOL)

Having fun with it whatever it is!!

All the best

Guy

[JohnF]

Ok-trying to sort out my cobinchos. Cobincho-MDESH I got  in 03 and anyone who got cobincho seeds from me, they would be from that source-although probably saved seeds. Cobinch-NMDUC I got in 05.Here are pictures of plant and flower from first growing of MDESH





The two flowers per node seemed an anomoly but in this picture it looks as though there may be some nodes with two per.

[Guy]

Hi

John - That flower looks more like what I am seeing from this exile than those of the chacoenses from last year?

Just a couple more pics, this time of the Putapario from 2005.




This years exile has a few double flowers to a node but not a lot of them are staying on the plant for the moment. A lot of flowers drop from too much heat in the indoor quarters!! Now that it is outside in the tunnel thing this should improve...it did the trick for the others last year.

I will try and get a few more pics of that and the plant as it is now, (the photo in the other post was taken about three weeks ago ) during this week.

All the best

Guy

[JohnF]

It appears that either those were not forming pods or they aborted because now there are no flowers and no pods. This is a plant with strange behaior.

As regards the flowers --Here is a picture of the flower from the first grow out with the odd stamens and the new one with, it looks to me , a stamen that has degenerated.






Also the first time grown there were two flushes of peppers from the one plant. The first pods very small- 1/4" long with no heat and no seeds and the second with 1" long pods that had seeds and were very hot

First flush



Second flush

[JohnF]

The younger of the two Cobinchos is now flowering and the flowers are interesting, not like the MDESH version, and only one per node.

Two views of flowers of Cobincho-NMDUC

[JohnF]

Second flush of flowers on Cobincho-MDESH. The flowers now have stamens like the previous example of this plant I grew. This is an odd plant

[JohnF]

Cobincho-NMDUC is now producing pods--the other has not

[Fatalii]

John, looks very good!
How's the taste?

[JohnF]

Haven't tasted yet--that's the first ripe one.

[JohnF]

Tasted today-extremely hot but the heat fades. No special flavor but a hint of bitter. Only two seeds in each of two ripe pods.

[Aji Inferno]

Tasted today-extremely hot but the heat fades. No special flavor but a hint of bitter. Only two seeds in each of two ripe pods.

Extremely hot..? That's rare for a chaco! They tend to be relatively mild (about Jalapeno's heat or so)...

[JohnF]

The other Cobincho--MDESH never did produce any fruit and stopped flowering. It has now begun to flower again producing tiny 1/4" flowers. The plant has continued to grow and is now quite wide.