Already starting season 2006

[JohnF]

Jartsap
Not doubting you or your observation just trying to sort it out. It looks to me as if there are different peppers with the same name. Your and Juka's plants do look like baccatums and also your pods are more variable. Mine tended to be pretty uniform

[Femmefatalii]

Thanks for posting those pictures, JartsaP!!!

It would be interesting to trace sources back from Beth, Allen and Jukka. Perhaps someone unwittingly sent out a cross early on. If growers have grown out only 1 plant in a season, then that cross may not have been detected right away. Are we possibly seeing separate filial lines now?

Jennifer

[JohnF]

Beth and Mickey got theirs from me. I haven't traded with juka

[Femmefatalii]

John, just to clarify: Beth, Mickey and I all received our seeds from you; the trail from you leads back to Terra Time and Tide. So far all grow-outs are consistent in flower and fruit form, enough to identify this Quintisho as chinense. The question then is where Jukka and Allen got their apparently baccatum Quintisho seeds.

And apologies if you thought I was implying that any of the 3 of you sent out crossed seeds. I was thinking further back, possibly USDA or an original source/collection point in Bolivia.

Jennifer

[JohnF]

Hey, Jennifer

I believe you have it and there does appear to be another pepper called Quintisho. Don't even get me started on my name rant. It's nice that all of you kept track of sources. If everyone did that it would be a lot easier to sort this stuff out.

[Femmefatalii]

John, remember that I primarily inhabit the tomato world where there are 20+ tomato varieties named Polish and no species differentiation...

Jennifer the anal retentive documentarian

[Aji Inferno]

Well, I said mine wasn't a baccatum ( have yet to see a baccatum Quintisho flower pic) but it may have been chinense. Mickey got seeds from me and his flower looks like a chinense to me

http://www.pbase.com/mickey_baker/image/47203835

Quintisho I grew was a baccatum, and with its smallish berries very likely pretty close to wild forms of baccatum (or c.praetermissum).

[Aji Inferno]

Jennifer

Can't tell for sure but Allen's plant looks more like Juka's but his pods are elongated.

If you browse through Inferno's "Baccatum" section (currently still only in Finnish, my apologies!), at the end you'll see a photo of a "baccatum" Quintisho. Distinctive green-spotted flowers, although not visible in the photo. Not a very remarkable variety, I seem to remember, when it comes to taste and heat.

[Aji Inferno]

Hey, Jennifer

I believe you have it and there does appear to be another pepper called Quintisho. Don't even get me started on my name rant. It's nice that all of you kept track of sources. If everyone did that it would be a lot easier to sort this stuff out.

I think the baccatum version I've grown was from Reimer Seeds (not 100% sure). However, what you have grown, is a completely different plant, judging from the photos. It looks fascinating, though - what's the heat level? It doesn't really look like a chinense to me (the leaves), although there are chinenses with annuum/frutescens-like leaves...

[JohnF]

Link to the picture please--I'm stupid today and can't find it.

[luca]

Here's the link to Inferno's baccatum page:
http://www.saunalahti.fi/~thietavu/Chili/L_baccatum.htm

[JohnF]

Thanks, Luca

That looks like a completely different pepper both shape and color-wise.

Hmmm

[Anonymous]

Reimers' Quintisho
http://www.reimerseeds.com/quintisho-hot-pepper-bolivia.aspx

Hmmm x2 Did they send you crossed or wrong seeds? How many plants did you grow and did following generations produced identical the fruit form from saved seeds? A big puzzle.

Luca, thanks for the reminder of Thietavu's site. It's terrific. I tried using an online Finnish to English translator when I first found it...it was unintelligible. Too bad. For the photos it is worth visiting though!!

What has me really excited is the photo of the baccatum from Bulgaria. Is this the one that's called Bulgarian Apple?

Thanks in advance for any info on Bulgarian peppers.

Jennifer

[luca]

Luca, thanks for the reminder of Thietavu's site. It's terrific. I tried using an online Finnish to English translator when I first found it...it was unintelligible. Too bad. For the photos it is worth visiting though!!

Well, the official link is http://www.infernochili.tk :-) and it's written above all inferno's forum pages, so it's easy to remember.

I don't know anything about Bulgarian chiles, but someone offered me bulgarian cherry, apple, cat, and sweet wax seeds.  Does anyone know anything about these? Are they worth trying?

[Nuthead]

I know that Hungarian Hot Wax is actually quite nice. Kind of a sweet burn. Very good for an Annuum variety! Big yields also. But about Bulgarians I don't have any knolidge of!

[Femmefatalii]

Luca, I didn't word that last post very well, did I?  :?  I am not as blond as I may sound.  :wink:

More Bulgarian peppers? I am SOOOO very excited. Bulgarian Carrot (C. annuum) is quite good. I've heard Bulgarian Apple (C. baccatum) is great. There are 2 baccatum from Bulgaria in the USDA (one of them discussed above), but they seem to be unnamed. And now a cherry and more? Please do ask about them, if you would!!!

Many thanks, Luca!

Jennifer

[luca]

I'll ask more info about the other bulgarian chiles.  I'll also ask for some seeds too.  If any of them sound interesting enough, I'll try it this year as well, then I can give you more info ;-)

[bassino]

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/6328/bulgaria5co.jpg

I got few different pods from Hungary last summer. One sort of them (picture in that link above) looked like Bulgarian Apple, but it tasted just like ordinary C. annuum with some typical sweet pepper aroma and mild heat. They weren't fully matured so I didn't try to germinate them.

http://javu.kapsi.fi/inferno/viewtopic.php?t=144&highlight=bulgarian

[Femmefatalii]

Luca, my hero. What can I offer you as a bribe....errrr...incentive?  

Bassino, like you I've tried quite a few Hungarian peppers. Some quite good, some only ordinary at best. All annuum and all very cultivated varieties, which is not surprising really. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and the photo.

Jennifer

[Aji Inferno]

Reimers' Quintisho
http://www.reimerseeds.com/quintisho-hot-pepper-bolivia.aspx

Luca, thanks for the reminder of Thietavu's site. It's terrific. I tried using an online Finnish to English translator when I first found it...it was unintelligible. Too bad. For the photos it is worth visiting though!!

What has me really excited is the photo of the baccatum from Bulgaria. Is this the one that's called Bulgarian Apple?

Thanks in advance for any info on Bulgarian peppers.

Jennifer

Thanks, Jennifer! Glad to see that our humble site is of interest to so many people! If there's demand, I might translate more of Inferno's content, at least the most important information. The wild capsicums -section "Villichilit" is already in both Finnish and English, although the translation is still pretty incomplete.

Here's what it says about that Bulgarian variety:

"Small, not very early plant. The fruit is roundish, a bit like a Habanero, green when raw, orange when ripe. Relatively hot with sharp, pungent aroma and a hint of sweetness."

It might be the pepper you mention, but at least USDA didn't have any local name for it. There's, btw, something chinense-like in that variety, both in taste and in its appearance...