CHANGING SEEDS...

[DENISEVOLEI]

...I dont know what is happen... i dont SELL SEEDS of ANY species.. you are wrong!! and all the seeds that i change is mine and it is NOT Hybrid.. all my first seeds i bought a long time ago with chilli farmers here in brazil.. ceara, amazonas, sao paulo, minas e goias, tambem no Mercado Livre in Brazil and on E-bay USA and England.. . i plant them and i have a lot of.. i dont need to sell seeds its not my interest cause i have a doctoral degree in social  psychologist and a master of of physical Education i dont have time to do it.. i work on both professions, peppers or seeds its not my interest its only my hobby.. changing seeds and planting them..
I dont have a misterious disappear.. i dont spend my time 24 hours a day in internet, i have 3 jobs and 1 social project, . i have a real life.. i have real friends,, real familly and really jobs,, i dont spend my life telling speculations, making gossips or monitored pepper seeds on net
there are some reason that i dont posted in foruns anymore, but i dont need to make any explanations but one of this reasons is that i stop do to changes cause i send a lot of seeds a lot! spend my time my money - it costs about 1 dollar each - and i only receive back 5.. in all the foruns that i belong.. I posted more than 35 packs full of seeds.  So decide to stop and only change with this 5 people who really send me back the seeds.. 3 from USA 2 from Europe..
In this forum i send for 2 people and I DONT RECEIVE ANY >> NO SEEDS BACK..!! i dont have a reason to lie..
So i decide too.. make a social project here and give all MY seeds to a poor families that dont have jobs and dont have food to eat, and live near my propriety,  i have in my project 30 families so i give them my brazillian pepper seeds and seeds of carrots, lettuce, tomatoes, cucumber, beans and what i have.. i have a social responsability and i'm making my part of it! they study, they plant .. they eat some and sell others.. DIGNITY.. word that many persons doesnt know..
I think that we would take care about yourselves its ugly to tell things that we dont know or things that we suppose.. and dont need to control everything to make things come easy to me.. and i dont need to put people in every place asking seeds for my forum.. cause i dont have one,,
i`m not a opportunist.. like some are... i`m what i am.. and i have a really good friends in others forum .. i dont need telling lies to obtain things and i`m not jeallous if someone obtain more seeds.. more changes or have more species them I have..
i DONT have Hybrid Plants or Hybrid Seeds cause i ISOLATED all of my plants and seeds.. i dont know why are you telling that i Never change ANY seeds with you, i dont know you..  and in portuguese forum i give up a long time ago.. its boaring.. i dont have any interest to post there..  this forum, the have 2 or 3 owners,   i only change with 2 or 3 people cause there all the seeds that appears  stops on 2 or 3 people .. and if they plant them they will see that they are NOT hybrid..
and all the seeds that  i receive i dont change..
I guarantee that all the seeds that i post is NOT HYBRID, have a good quality and all belong to the real variety that i wrote outside the mini packs.
I know john, different from the another guy that i dont know, john is respectable man, study pepper, love them and are honest.. John all the seeds that i send to you belongs to the real variety, they are NOT hybrid and have good quality.. and all the seeds that you send to me I plant i, i isolate them . eveything is isolated and they are growing fast, specially the annuns...very very tall..wondenderful... thanks!!
you are great!
Regards
denise



"Dont send to the pigs things that they dont know how to eat!

[DENISEVOLEI]

i posted this for Sarkka a time ago...

 http://www.infernochili.tk Forum Index
Sent :: Message
From: DENISEVOLEI
To: Sauli Särkkä
Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:26 am
Subject: Re: seeds  
hi

... ohhhhh ok!! i hope...
i hate when its happen too..
i will stop to do changes cause i posted more than 20 letters a lot of seeds and only receive back 4..
regards
denise

[Sauli Särkkä]

Jes, Denise, and I sent you the seeds, as promised. I don't think I have any kind of credibility problems here in Finland, as the appointed secretary of the future Finnish Chili Association.

Who else sent you seeds you didn't receive?



-Sale

[luca]

Denise,

First of all, I'd like to point out that nobody said that you have been trying to cheat.  What I said was that people were suspicious of your behaviour, namely going to many different forums and asking for a lot of seeds.

Due to these suspicious behaviour and the fact that someone has been selling seeds he/she received for free from member of various forums (and this is a fact), I decided to warn people that someone (not necessarily you) has been doing that.

Also the fact that you did not receive seeds from lots of peole who have sent you makes people open their eyes, because someone in the postal chain is keeping the seeds.  I have been sending lots of envelopes with seeds (as well as normal letters) to Brazil and there has only been one case in which the recipient did not get them.  It sounds strange that so many packages disappear in such a short time and addressed to the same recipient.  Again, I'd like to stress that I'm not saying that you are receiving them and pretending you are not, but someone is.  Things don't simply disappear like that.

I'm glad you have come up to defend yourself and this certainly brings a lot more credibility to you.  I was not the person who started all this and my only objective was to try to protect the free trade of chile seeds and avoid people being cheated.  I don't have anything to be jealous of you, because as you said I don't even know you except for a few messages we exchanged in Internet forums.  I have absolutely no idea how many different varieties you have and whether you're a trustworthy person or not (I don't know you).  And it is not the number or kind of degrees one person has that will prove their character.  If you really do as you say, using your time on social work, distributing seeds and helping poor people, I can only appreciate it.

The forum I maintain is not mine except for the fact that I use my time to maintain it, I spend my money to make backups, to pay for the internet connection, on electricity bills, wear and tear of my servers etc.  The forum is completely open for anyone to join (as far as he/she has a valid email address) and is made and kept alive by the community, not by myself.  If this community starts to complain about the behaviour of one member it is my duty as the forum administrator to take action.  And so I did, by deactivating such user's account and sending an email informing about this action and asking for an explanation and defense.  I only got an answer weeks later and without any real argument.

I apologize if I was mistaken when bringing up your name, but I'm still absolutely sure that I was right in bringing up the problem of seeds received for free being sold for high prices.

Best regards,
Luca.

[Darlochileman]

I see someone is sellingBrazilian Pepper seeds:

http://journals.aol.com/deni1edfis2psi3/pepper-seeds-from-brazil-and-aro/entries/2006/09/12/cambuci-pepper---pimenta-cambuci/917

Does anybody recognise the author  :wink:

The images and descriptions she uses are certainily very familar. :evil:

Mark

[JohnF]

Seems an odd site. I could not find prices or means of ordering.

[luca]

Hmmm... this is really interesting.

It seems that the user posting those offers is the same Denise we were talking about before.  Check out the user name:

deni1edfis2psi3

deni = Denise
edfis = Educação Física (physical education)
psi = psicologia (psychology)

...i have a doctoral degree in social psychologist and a master of of physical Education...

Looks very much like the same person to me.  Maybe that means that our previous suspicions might have been correct after all...

[svalli]

That is very interesting and clever to thinking from Luca to notice the connections. I doubt that the user name could just be a coincidence.

So i decide too.. make a social project here and give all MY seeds to a poor families that dont have jobs and dont have food to eat, and live near my propriety,  i have in my project 30 families so i give them my brazillian pepper seeds and seeds of carrots, lettuce, tomatoes, cucumber, beans and what i have.. i have a social responsability and i'm making my part of it! they study, they plant .. they eat some and sell others.. DIGNITY.. word that many persons doesnt know..

I hope all of the money she gets from selling the seeds go to this social project. Or did she make the poor people to grow the plants, so she gets more seeds to sell...

[JohnF]

I'm very impressed-Luca the cryptographer!

[luca]

I'm very impressed-Luca the cryptographer!

Heh! It was not so hard after all ;-)

Another interesting thing to notice is that *all* the pictures in that "journal" are taken from somebody else's sites.  There's a link to the chileman.org (cambuci), a few to Embrapa's site and a few from Graeme (g6csy).

[Sauli Särkkä]

I'm very impressed-Luca the cryptographer!

Heh! It was not so hard after all ;-)

Another interesting thing to notice is that *all* the pictures in that "journal" are taken from somebody else's sites.  There's a link to the chileman.org (cambuci), a few to Embrapa's site and a few from Graeme (g6csy).

Does she, at any point, claim to have taken those photos herself or does she give credit to the instance that deserves it?


-Sale

[luca]

Does she, at any point, claim to have taken those photos herself or does she give credit to the instance that deserves it?

I have not seen any mention about the copyright of those pictures or any information about where the pictures come from.

So, I believe she's using copyrighted material without permission.